1. 16-07-2007 21:06

Any Open Source project with as many users and developers as Joomla! has will have issues like this one. What is nice about Joomla! is that it has proven, on more then one occasion, that the project can survive major disagreement within the community. I for one hope you will continue your development within this community. I think the core team is making a mistake here, and will probably make more in the future, but please do not abandon the community because its leaders are human.

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2. 16-07-2007 22:28

Just my thoughts since Mambo days: it's mostly not what is done, but HOW it is done. As Dean M. said: "lack of communication, lack of direction/aims/ definition of what Joomla is and who it is for, prioritising of project goals", and if you research my more nagging posts on either Mambo or Joomla forums, I raised these points a few times, still waiting for answers... 
You are never allowed to critizise anything, as soon as one dares he is brandmarked as anti-community, negative, and replies are "if you don't like it and want to be positive (about everything Core does and says), just go away.. sux (soorry)

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3. 16-07-2007 23:07

Heh. I think you all got the bull by the wrong end. By going pure GPL Joomla has done the best in the interests of its future. It's obvious, the GPL was written to protect four fundamental freedoms and by wandering into some prostitution of proprietary co-existance the project is at great risk. Fork away folks but stop returning to Joomla trying to return to the bad ole days. GPL is GPL. A safe harbor. If you don't like that harbor ... go sailing into rockier seas if you must. But remember the GPL applies to any fork and copyright holders may well assert their rights at any given time and revoke their contribution. They are well within their rights, if you are not compliant. Food for thought.

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4. 16-07-2007 23:15

As far as i'm concerned, as long as people are involved, there will always be problems. Own agendas, pride, greed.....normal human traits unfortunately. 
 
My only concern over the whole issue is that you have contemplated leaving the Joomla platform......please don't. 
 
From the many users that are very grateful for project fork, we urge you to stick with it......and if you want any heads busted, just yell out.....heehee

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5. 17-07-2007 01:46

Please don't go. I... I love you.

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6. 05-09-2007 19:00

Hi,  
 
well, i cant spot the reason for your thought's up on the licence discussions an the statement from the Joomla! Core.  
 
The only problem I see in this is the fact, that after the split from Mambo in 2005 the core did not review the Faq's! What has been written there, as far as I understand the GPL, and I'm talking from 'the rider within' was a violence against the GPL. Joomla! has since the release of 1.0.0 been a GPL licenced Software. And the Core Statement just clarefyed it, that it also will be GPL, and Tobias, the Project Fork is also Licenced under the GPL right?  
 
And, as next, think about the load of Support from the Community you had in the past, thinking of the Naming Contest, and after the Logo contest... Is it worth to drop something like that ??  
 
give it a Go !!  
I would realy miss PF

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7. 17-09-2007 22:16

With full respect to your reasons for possibly dropping the project from further development for Joomla, I am curious if you've decided to take such a stance or not? I am continuing to watch this project and would love to know if you've decided to go on developing for Joomla, and if not, what CMS you've decided to move to (Mambo seems to have a very nice stance on what they consider 'derivative', as that is what seems to have stemmed the whole Joomla issue) 
 
Thanks for what you've created thus far, and for letting all of us who are watching this project know what you intend to do....  
 
peace, 
 
tj

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8. 05-11-2007 02:08

I can understand your problems. I think the will be always some days of a active membership to be unhappy with the behavour a of a community. But that is not to bad. The question of a great community is not if there are problems or not, the question is how the community deals with the problems to solve the issues between each other. I am just a little One-Man-Show agency, which lives from your great work. But so far I can see from outside, I think you all have a great way to talk among each other. I also think you are quiet right with your ideas about the currend development, please try to tell your friends, perhaps you can change their mind and then your community will be stronger than ever. Thank you for yaour work. As a little thank you here is a link to MY WAY of contributing to the web, its just some little free chill out movies to have some mindcleanig minutes: www.aqualounge-project.de , i hope you enjoy it. 
 
thank you for your work! 
Matthias Klees 
(www.szenekonzept.de)

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9. 09-02-2008 02:07

I agree with your comment and specifically with the shift/change of Joomla going from Community Project based to Product based - it's unfortunate. 
 
However, your contribution to the project is enourmous - project management, is at it's core, the basic function of any website project. It would be my hope that you continue your involvement for several reasons: 
 
1) I'm selfish and I desparately need your project 
2) The more people that use it, the more that will have exposure to blog posts such as this 
3) By maintaining the fight, you're better positioned to affect change

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